Methods
I have 784 respondents; twenty respondents were deleted for skipping an excessive number of questions, leaving me with 764 respondents. The respondents were mostly taken from my blog, Thing of Things; therefore, they may not be representative of the general population.
To assess autogynephilia, I used a 22-item scale which is commonly used in the literature on autogynephilia. Unlike in previous studies, I did not alter the language for cisgender respondents. To assess autoandrophilia, I genderswapped the items on the scale. Certain items were easily genderswapped: for example, “fantasies in which I have a vagina/vulva” became “fantasies in which I have a penis”. Others required more of a judgment call, as when I decided that erections and ejaculation are physical male functions analogous to pregnancy. As my autoandrophilia scale has never been validated, the results are unreliable and should be considered preliminary. Further, this scale would not capture any ways that autoandrophilia manifests differently than autogynephilia. (For example, one might expect autogynephiles to be more interested in wearing women’s clothing, as there is more sexy clothing which is only for women than sexy clothing which is only for men.)
To assess gender, I presented two questions. The first asked people to identify as cisgender or transgender. The second asked people to identify as transgender, definitely cisgender, or uncertain whether the terms “cisgender” or “transgender” best describes them.
To assess sexual orientation, I asked whether a person was attracted to both men and women, men but not women, women but not men, exclusively nonbinary people, or no one at all.
Demographics
A gender and sexuality breakdown follows. Percentages may not add to 100 due to rounding.
53% cisgender men
19% cisgender women
10% transgender people assigned female at birth
18% transgender people assigned male at birth
24% definitely cisgender men
9% definitely cisgender women
8% AFAB transgender
16% AMAB transgender
14% neither cisgender nor transgender AFAB
30% neither cisgender nor transgender AMAB
18% bisexual cisgender men
32% heterosexual cisgender men
2% homosexual cisgender men
1% asexual cisgender women
12% bisexual cisgender women
4% heterosexual cisgender women
1% homosexual cisgender women
2% asexual AFAB trans people
6% bisexual AFAB trans people
2% homosexual AFAB trans people
2% asexual AMAB trans people
8% bisexual AMAB trans people
1% heterosexual AMAB trans people
6% homosexual AMAB trans people
1% miscellaneous
Autogynephilia and Autoandrophilia Scores
(For these numbers, a score of zero indicates that none of the fantasies are arousing, while a score of 88 indicates that all of the fantasies are very arousing. Please behold the quarter-assed bar charts.)
Autogynephilia
Cisgender man: 44
Cisgender woman: 22
AFAB trans: 13
AMAB trans: 35
Definitely cisgender man: 36
Definitely cisgender woman: 25
AFAB trans: 11
AMAB trans: 40
Neither cisgender nor transgender, AFAB: 22
Neither cisgender nor transgender, AMAB: 48
Asexual cisgender man: 41
Bisexual cisgender man: 52
Straight cisgender man: 40
Gay cisgender man: 40
Asexual cisgender woman: 6
Bisexual cisgender woman: 36
Straight cisgender woman: 17
Gay cisgender woman: 21
Asexual AFAB trans: 2
Bisexual AFAB trans: 17
Straight AFAB trans: 15
Gay AFAB trans: 7
Asexual AMAB trans: 31
Bisexual AMAB trans: 39
Straight AMAB trans: 17
Gay AMAB trans: 36
[Note that sample sizes for asexual cisgender men and heterosexual AFAB trans people are particularly small.]
Autoandrophilia
Cisgender man: 20
Cisgender woman: 25
AFAB trans: 30
AMAB trans: 6
Definitely cisgender man: 23
Definitely cisgender woman: 18
AFAB trans: 30
AMAB trans: 7
Neither cisgender nor transgender, AFAB: 29
Neither cisgender nor transgender, AMAB: 17
Asexual cisgender man: 18
Bisexual cisgender man: 23
Straight cisgender man: 18
Gay cisgender man: 26
Asexual cisgender woman: 8
Bisexual cisgender woman: 28
Straight cisgender woman: 23
Gay cisgender woman: 24
Asexual AFAB trans: 19
Bisexual AFAB trans: 33
Straight AFAB trans: 19
Gay AFAB trans: 34
Asexual AMAB trans: 7
Bisexual AMAB trans: 8
Straight AMAB trans: 3
Gay AMAB trans: 2
[Note that sample sizes for asexual cisgender men and heterosexual AFAB trans people are particularly small.]
Discussion
Confusingly, cis men are the group most likely to experience autogynephilia, and cis women are also more likely than average to experience autoandrophilia. However, when broken out into more specific categories, we discover that this is mostly driven by people who identify as neither cisgender nor transgender– that is, the potentially gender dysphoric.
People are much less likely to experience autoandrophilia than autogynephilia. It is unclear why this might be. It is possible that my measure failed to capture autoandrophiliac sexuality; I suggest performing qualitative research on transgender men to construct an appropriate measure. It is also possible that autoandrophilia is legitimately less common than autogynephilia for some reason: for example, perhaps because female bodies are hypersexualized in the media while male bodies are not, or because people with testosterone-dominant systems have kinkier sexual fantasies.
It has been occasionally claimed that women do not experience autogynephilia. My study suggests that this is false. While cisgender women do not experience autogynephiliac fantasies as commonly as AMAB transgender people do, they do seem to sometimes experience autogynephilia. However, it is also occasionally claimed that autogynephilia is ordinary female sexuality. It does not appear that my survey supports this hypothesis; cis women are far less likely than trans women to be autogynephiles. Autogynephilia seems more characteristic of definitely cis male sexuality than definitely cis female.
Some trans advocates argue that trans women overreport autogynephilia, because if one has a penis it is marked and unusual to have sexual fantasies in which you have a vagina, while if one has a vagina it is not at all marked or unusual to have sexual fantasies in which you have a vagina. It is unclear how this hypothesis can be tested; as such, my survey does not provide evidence for or against it.
It has been occasionally claimed that trans men do not experience autoandrophilia. My survey suggests that this is false; trans men have a notably higher rate of autoandrophilia than other groups. The alternate construct of “autohomoeroticism” is not supported: autoandrophilia is detected in a survey which does not ask about any specifically homosexual male behaviors, but merely about sexual arousal when imagining having a physically male body and adopting a male social role.
Autogynephiliac fantasies tend to be about having a woman’s body, wearing women’s clothing, or being admired or having sex while a woman. Very few people were interested in more outré forms of sexuality, such as menstruation, urinating while sitting down, sitting in a feminine way, or being seen as a woman by strangers. Trans women are more likely than cis women to be aroused by these unusual fantasies: cis women’s average is typically between 0 and 0.5 on a scale where 0 means not at all arousing, and trans women’s is typically around 1. However, most trans women have no interest in these fantasies; attempts to depict them as typical of trans female sexuality are inaccurate.
Similarly, autoandrophiliac fantasies tend to be about having a man’s body (particularly a penis) or being admired or having sex while a man, and not about adopting a male-typical social role outside of a sexual context.
Bisexual cis women experience a rate of autogynephilia comparable to transgender women’s. I believe this is problematic for claims that no real woman would experience autogynephilia; it implies that either bisexual cis women are not real women or that they are lying about their sexual fantasies in a far less socially desirable direction. It is possible that something unusual about bisexual cis women causes them to fetishize womanhood. It is also possible that autogynephilia is associated with same-gender attraction; certainly, it seems like being attracted to breasts might cause you to be attracted to your own breasts. However, if that is the case, it is unclear why lesbians show such low rates of autogynephilia. My sample size of lesbians was quite small and it is possible this is just noise. I suggest interested people study autogynephilia specifically in a queer cisgender female population.
Gay and bisexual men show elevated rates of autoandrophilia compared to heterosexual men. However, their rates are not comparable to trans men’s. It is possible that while autogynephilia similar to trans women’s is typical of (bisexual) female sexuality, autoandrophilia similar to trans men’s is not typical of any sort of male sexuality. It may also reflect the inadequacy of my measure of autoandrophilia.
Definitely cisgender men are both more autogynephiliac and more autoandrophiliac than definitely cisgender women. This may be due to social desirability bias, poor awareness of one’s sexual fantasies, lower sex drives due to estrogen-dominant hormone systems, or a legitimate difference in sexual interests between definitely cisgender men and definitely cisgender women.
It looks like you mangled the agender category quite well.
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I don’t know that it’s *commonly-used*. I haven’t seen this scale used outside of that paper, I think?
Those are some high rates of ambiguously-cis people.
Gender issues seem to exist on a continuous spectrum, so I’d wonder if the “definitely cisgender” people don’t also have elevated gender issues compared to the baseline. For instance, maybe cis-by-default people are overrepresented in the “definitely cisgender” group.
I think for comparison, it might be useful to take a look at the baseline numbers from the original study. If I’m doing the conversion to your numerical scale correct, their non-AGP control group had an average score of 3.8, while their AGP group had an average score of 41.4. All of your groups above scored much higher than the non-AGP control group, and all the AMAB groups scored quite close to the AGP group.
This seems related to what I mentioned above, about how less-cis men might be overrepresented in the “definitely cisgender man” group. At least on reddit, I’ve found a sort of continuous relationship between autogynephilia and gender issues.
Augh, something went wrong with the blockquotes. 😦
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Why would it be hard to get a good sample of trans men? Just the low base rate? It seems like you’d probably get a better picture of autoandrophilia, and the internet is a big place.
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I think there are two main parts to this:
First, it’s possible you’re underestimating how easy it is for me to the a sample of AAP women, as for most people that would probably be difficult. However, since I regularly do surveys on these kinds of things, I already have a list of people I could send surveys to in order to get qualitative autoandrophilia data. This makes it extremely easy for me to study autoandrophilia in cis women.
Secondly, I’m a Blanchardian. (Ish. At this point I’m accumulating flaws in the typology as usually presented, and eventually I might end up having to write a “Blanchardianism: A post-mortem” article, if the big-name Blanchardians don’t start changing their minds… at least assuming the potential flaw I’m currently eyeing turns out to be a problem.) So not only would I have to get a sample of openly-AAP trans men, I’d have to get a sample of openly-AAP trans men who’re willing to cooperate with a Blanchardian. There are some of these in my discord server, but not enough to really study (plus, I feel like it’s better to look at cases that I haven’t interacted with, to reduce the likelihood of biasing the sample).
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I think it makes sense to look deeper into the idea of fantasising about sometheing that one does actually have. (autoandrophilia in cis men and autogynophillia in cis women)
Does it make sense for an able-bodied person to fanatsize about having arms?
Are one’s fantasies autobrachiophile by default?
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I’ve talked with several trans men who were autogynephilic. Before transitioning, they engaged in what I’ve labelled mimicry-autogynephilia; where they would picture attractive women, or get erotic material with attractive women, and then got off to imagining being these women. For asking about this in surveys, I’ve started using questions along the lines of “Picture a beautiful woman/handsome man; how sexually arousing would you find it to imagine *being* them?”. To me, it seems at least somewhat coherent to distinguish this from ordinary sexual fantasies.
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There could also be a distinction to make here between fantasizing about having some anatomy you already have vs fantasizing about having a “superior” sort of the same anatomy. Does a man with penis-size anxiety who fantasizes about having a larger penis count as an autoandrophile? Does a woman with anxiety about her breasts and corresponding fantasies about having different breasts count as … some sort of autophile?
To use the original example, maybe it doesn’t make sense for an able-bodied person to fantasize specifically about having two arms like they already do, but it seems quite reasonable for anyone to fantasize about being physically stronger, more flexible, or otherwise more athletic, even if they are well within the bounds of “normal” physical ability.
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